Appendix 7:  Larger Context of This Book &
the War of Classical Theist
s Against Open Theists 

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Introduction
1.  The Larger Context of This Book
2.  The Lopsided Battleground

3.  Persecution of the Most Moved Mover
   
4.  Methodology—This Is Personal                    

Introduction     ~  Top

While Ware and Frame and Nicole do not attack the persons of their adversaries directly, they do indirectly in their sweeping and subtle tones. Much of it is high class snobbishness. Disgusting. You can read their condescendingly superior attitude on every page, and that attitude is not present in most Open Theist literature.

I decided to take this to another level. If it has four legs, a tail, barks and often stinks—it’s a dog. Some of these people have no shame. They claim respect for their opponents, but slobber on their manuscripts. And when they are credibly challenged, they scream like children—cancer, cancer. In the light of so much irrationality and such obvious ego-driven superiority, sometimes only the lampoon works. Jesus used the ad hominem with “white-washed sepulcher.” Since some of these people have not and will not listen, I decided to attack some of these talking sepulchers—who would make God after their own anemic nature—and attack their weak arguments as well as their false humility. I attack their sterile depictions of God and illustrate some of the absurdity. 

Some people have not been nice to me. 

One said, “is this the Christian attitude?” I asked, “Where is the line between the white-washed sepulcher and wrongly judging?”

Another said, “are you a self-proclaimed prophet?” I said, “Of course not, you do not need to be a prophet to see someone rope-a-doping fallacies. But it is sad that I would be lampooned for the exposure of fallacies. Especially when you have contributing nothing.”

Another said, “you’re rude and crude.” I said with grin, “not as rude as ‘cancer, cancer.’ Shall we not defend honor and expose ugly misrepresentation by naming it. Truly, when someone seriously misrepresents and even maligns, are we the crude ones for exposing and then illustrating the exposure with pictures the common Christian soldier can understand?” And I wanted to add a bit about the use of humor just to lighten the moment and even offset the bad affects of some lampooning, but I did not think he would have appreciated that.

Another said, “you are an opportunist, only taking advantage of a controversy to sell your book.” I shook my head side to side at yet another slap-stick and snide remark: “what are you doing to stop the rope-a-doping of fallacies? What have you done to salvage honor? What have you done to defend the aliveness of God?” And I wanted to add the importance of the resurrection of Christ to this, that indeed the defense of God’s aliveness is also a defense of the real time significance of Christ’s resurrection, but you have to be careful where you cast your pearls.

I wanted to say coward, but I truly did not know. That comment would have been truly the worst of the ad hominem when one casts a judgment and does not truly know the fears and insecurities that drive people to remain silent or to remain lukewarm or unaffected in the midst of infamy. But I suspect it was cowardly.

Another said, “you wish to make a name for yourself by butting in where you are not wanted and attacking the good name of good people.” I wanted to say that that was true, but not the manner she had intended. So I simply condescended, “shall we lie on our bellies when some of these ‘good people’ misrepresent and spit with impunity?”

Another said, “Your ad hominem attacks have no place in the ETS. Your attacks on my character are out of place.” I said, “you might be right. Can you be specific … please?” I wish I had had a camera.

A very close friend of mine said, “Mike, are you crazy? You’re just going to get some people mad (people who can affect your future), alienate others, push some into defensive maneuvering and in the long run defeat the very purpose your book.” I slapped him on the back, thinking I was too old for someone in these camps to truly affect my future now. I smiled and said, “you’re probably right. Sometimes you just have to take a stand, and I don’t see any Classical Theists standing against the infamy, not even a little. Some mighty powerful Christian leaders are not saying a word.” I stopped. Blinked and puffed. I could share my pearls and the passions of my heart with him. I could be truly honest with him. “Dog poop is dog poop, and it makes me sick that some people are digging up centuries old poop and calling it their own. And then they have the audacity to use such to say God is so fixed He cannot be truly touched by the feelings of my infirmities—it’s upsetting. Outrageous. Sad. This turned into more than I had originally intended, that is for sure.”

He shook his head.  I could not discern if he agreed or not.

I added, “I believe the genuineness of God deserves my best effort, and the exposure and lampooning are just a means, arising as the study unfolded before me. Whether the lampooning will be ultimately judged as Jesus did (and condoned) or as Jesus condemned, I cannot say. I only claim that I tried to do as Jesus might have done, as inferior as I am. Whatever, the majority of the text and even the lampooning—as I am sure ‘sepulcher’ was used by Jesus—was intended not so much for those I lampooned as it was for the popular audience, even my friends. Even you. The degree of infamy and entrenchment of some persons—like Frame, Nicole and Ware—makes them nearly impermeable to suggestion, much less correction.

“I wrote for the common Christian soldier. For you.”

I nudged my friend. “What did you personally think?”

“Mike, I liked it. Audacious at times … and I would not have said some of the things. But you opened my eyes. And I have to say the lampooning helped, and entertained, but I am not convinced it will go far. I know you. Others do not. I agree, though, that the genuineness of God’s relationship with us should be definitive, primary. We should love God above all and certainly believe He is loving us, presently loving us—genuinely loving us today. It seems so obvious that the New Testament says God is loving us today in a dynamic fashion, and certainly our living relationship is not totally past tense to God. I do not know of a Christian who denies God’s living presence. That is how I live.” He paused. “I like how you said that some have to have special training to deny that. Classical Theists have a problem. And Open Theism is not the heresy it is so often misrepresented to be. And I will have to re-read Pinnock’s Most Moved Mover.”

I nodded and smiled. “That was the purpose, then.”

We went for lunch and talked about our families, even whether or not we should see one of the new movies coming out. I felt good.

1.  Larger Context of This Book     ~  Top

This book is a continuation of my larger ethics book, Would You Lie to Save a Life?: the Quest for God’s Will This Side of Heaven.[1] Therein, I plumbed the manifold depths of biblically based ethical responsibility from every conceivable angle with respect to the single horrendous dilemma of Commander Lloyd Bucher.

Commander Lloyd Bucher and a crew of 82 were pirated off the high seas by the North Koreans in 1968 and held hostage for 11 months. Bucher was forced to lie to save the lives of his men. What is the absolute will of God in that single dilemma of whether or not to lie to save a life? I mean, from Bucher’s perspective at the single moment just prior to decision, what is the will of God? What goes into the biblical solution? What complicates decision?

Would you lie to save a life?

I demonstrated why we could not find the absolutely “right” thing to do and the elements of complication in the process of biblical discernment. The essence of a Christian’s responsibility in discerning God’s will is to “lovingly seek first the kingdom of God.” But saying that and doing it is one thing; doing it perfectly has very many considerations and becomes complex to the uttermost. Who is truly as competent as Jesus this side of heaven? Just what are the elements that make some choices complex?

Life is very difficult at times. How do we make choices when God’s will is not crystal clear? We took that question and challenge very seriously, and we tried to answer that question in a thorough manner.

Near the end of that study, in Chapter 12.C.3, I pulled together the seven ethical “fine lines” that only God can draw this side of heaven.

1.  Between God’s Foreknowledge & Our Free-Will Participation

2.  Between God’s Light & Our Rebellion

3.  Between the Deontological & the Teleological Concerns of Every Absolute in Every Decision

4.  Between When a Person Is or Is Not Accountable for the Actions of Others

5.  Between Where a High or Low Degree of Accountability Determines Between a More Teleological or More Deontological Choice

6.  Between “Fruitful” & “Redundant” Hermeneutical Study

7.  Between “Valuable Ethical Deliberation” & “Wasting Time”

Obviously, from the above and especially from #1, there is a clear connection between biblical ethics and the free-will/foreknowledge debate. So I began this book to complement the first ethical fine line.

2.  The Lopsided Battleground     ~  Top

Because of the controversy surrounding the Classical and Open Theism arguments, which in many ways is theoretically tied to the free-will/foreknowledge debate, the potency of my larger ethics book, Would You Lie to Save a Life?, gets a boost with respect to that book’s sub-title,

A Case Against the Radical Fundamentalism at the Fundamental Level.

Another sub-title to this book could have been,

Another Case Against Radical Fundamentalism at the Fundamental Level.

Almost without exception, the most radical of Christian fundamentalists can be found to be within the Classical Theist camps. That should be noteworthy, instructive in itself. Even so, we also know that there are many non-radical Christ-like persons who are also Classical Theists. I used to be one, myself, and did not know it full well.

One of the weaknesses of my book Would You Lie to Save a Life? with respect to “the case” against radical fundamentalism is that Robert Rakestraw and Norman Geisler are not official representatives of radical fundamentalism (as though there could be any at all). Regardless, that was where their ethic lead as we made profuse and provocative evidence.[2]

In Would You Lie to Save a Life?, we noted that Rakestraw and Geisler did what few have done in actually attempting to articulate “how” difficult choices are made; at a minimum, they attempted to given an accountability to “how” decisions are made in the elite circles beyond mere categorical passes, or claims to esoteric divine guidance or mere proof-texting. Their efforts were praise-worthy for their attempts, and we repeatedly noted their courage for their efforts.

Fortunately, even serendipitously, I came to see the debate between Classical and Open Theists as a kind of lopsided battleground. You may disagree, at the moment, but there is irrefutable proof. You may not know the fine differences between “classical” and “open” theism at the moment, but you should know that a good number potent defenders of Classical Theism share the tendencies of radical fundamentalists that I leveled against Rakestraw and Geisler in Would You Lie to Save a Life?. Both the characterizations and rhetorical caricaturizations I made of Rakestraw’s and Geisler’s ethic are found in many of the writings on Classical Theism. The most prominent characteristic of all inside of Christian radical fundamentalism is the ability of the author to be able to discern the perfect pathway and the absolutely right choice all of the time; as with Rakestraw and Geisler, they became as competent as Jesus (though in two very different ways).

Very good examples and clear “proofs” of the lopsided battleground can be seen in Ware, Frame and even White[3]—veritable chieftains in their own right. How is the battleground lopsided? Read the works of Ware, Frame and White; they all make claims to objectivity and heart humbleness. Then read a true scholar’s work that actually does what the three claim: William Lane Craig’s and Clark Pinnock’s works are the examples of raw objectivity and powerful academic force without a hint of ad hominem attacks. Contrary to Craig and Pinnock, Ware and Frame lift an academic problem of Open Theism to the status of near heresy and try to place the problem in the trappings of academic debate. When one actually compares, Ware and Frame in subtle ad hominem ways are not even close to the academic expertise of Craig and Pinnock. See the literature reviews in Appendix 1, and the clarifications of Nicole in Appendix 2 where refute Ware and Frame, their method and use some ad hominem attacks of my own.

In the light of Ware and Frame, in addition to Rakestraw and Geisler, there is now a decent cross-sectional representation of “radical fundamentalism elite” in these persons (and others) who have “made war” upon the Open Theists. War? Isn’t that harsh? No. In academic debate, there is proof and interchange (as in Craig and Pinnock); most especially there is a build up of unique contributions and analyses. Instead, as in the cases that are building against Open Theism, there is a jumble of rather independent critiques—sometimes sloppy to the uttermost, as in the Roger Nicole’s documents—that at times build and attack straw men in the pretense of having taken down a strong man. In a war, you tear down and warn and even attempt to keep the ideas of opponents from circulation. In theological warfare, there are also treatises that rely upon rhetoric and upon the audience’s ignorance to make cases, and Ware, Frame and Geisler are examples of those who use their audience’s ignorance in that kind of fashion.

When you read the Open Theists, for the most part, you read articulations of biblical insights and themes—people exploring to understand the true meaning of the biblical text as the biblical texts read. Pinnock, a grand champion of Open Theism, includes the comments of his own critics in his Most Moved Moverwhat a marvelous piece of integrity that is. The Open Theists are questioning whether the Bible actually says that “God’s knowledge is absolutely fixed,” and the Classical Theists do not seem to be able to counter fully or persuasively—not to those outside of their own camp. Sadly, as we have said, many of the Classical Theists’ arguments are mere regurgitations of old and very old defenses of God’s sovereignty. (We cannot overstate how tired we are of this, especially when they regurgitate without making reference as though a good portion of their work originated with themselves.)

Though far from the criminal tendencies of some radicals, the exclusivity and avoidance of true development is the hallmark of radical fundamentalism, especially the elite. Much of the time, the Christian radical fundamentalists are “fixed” in their own minds, unable to “relate” in true genuineness (just as their God is). That is precisely what is happening in “how” the Classical Theists have “made war” against the Open Theists. And so, I detailed in my book Would You Lie to Save a Life? (the Quest for God’s Will This Side of Heaven), and I also made a case against the radical fundamentalist as the fundamental level. While Rakestraw and Geisler are not “official” representatives of radical fundamentalism, when you add them to Ware, Frame and other Classical Theists, you now have a good cross section of radical fundamentalism’s elite.

Ironically, the Classical Theists’ “war” is coming on the heals of the radical fundamentalist’s recent “war” to defend the literal interpretation of the Bible. Now I believe in the Bible’s divinely inspired integrity, full and veracious inspiration—truth without any mixture of error—the rule of faith and source of doctrine. So do the Open Theists. Yet how very ironic it is that the Open Theists are wanting to follow the simple Bible readings, and now the Classical Theists want to find ways around the simple readings to convolute a defense against the simple reading of the Bible. As I indicated, I shall choose to stay with the Bible.

It is not that simple, of course. That is why this work is before you, a kind of 21st century up-date to the essence of Would You Lie to Save a Life? that began in 1989. This work on foreknowledge is a kind of primer to my ethics book, in a way priming the reader to be able to see the complexity of ethics in general.

So much more could be added about the “war” that would further distract, that will never be told. 

3.  Persecution of the Most Moved Mover      ~  Top

Let me add this. There is a subtle persecution of Open Theism. I tried to come up to speed. In Pinnock’s Most Moved Mover (and in the other works in the Literature Review in Appendix 1), in some Theological Society tapes, I came to see some extraordinary denial. In Luther’s day, the elite fought Luther in much the same manner they fight Pinnock (et al) today; only today the religious power base is so much more solid and more able to control than back then. Though Frame and Ware are an example, no better example exists than in Nicole’s super-strained and prejudicial attempt to segregate Open Theism from the Evangelical Theological Soceity. 

Personally, I am not yet an Open Theist, and maybe I am after this book. I do want to hang onto exhaustive foreknowledge, yet I shall not give it prominence or importance over God’s ability to genuinely relate to me in the present. Whatever shall come of the definitions and degrees of foreknowledge, I shall not relinguish or let go or loosen my grasp and belief in God’s ability to experience some matter of freshness today in a real relationship with me. From the standpoint of God’s ability to experience me in some manner of freshness each day, I am so much more an Open Theist than anything close to the kind of Classical Theist outlined in Ware and Frame. Ware and Frame become offensive, and some of their ice cold words about God hurt my soul.

The Classical Theist avoidance or inability to deal with the most substantive issue is disheartening—so very disheartening. That avoidance was another reason for this small-large book.[4] The most substantive issue of Open Theism is the “genuineness” of our relationship with God.

Personally, I was a happy Classical Theist when I began Would You Lie to Save a Life? in 1989, would have certainly moved to accept David Hunt’s corrections if I had had that work back then. I knew nothing else, not even reading any nascent Open Theist material. After rejections back then by several fundamentalist mentors, I was confused, at first thinking my own insights inferior. I just struggled forward to clarify what I myself believed and hammered at the nature of determining God’s will in Would You Lie to Save a Life? Thank God for those who were there.

Later last year, the proverbial light from heaven shined. Miraculously, as I finished the last edit to Would You Lie to Save a Life? in 2002, I began to read about the openness of God. The thunder crashed and heaven opened. The entire volume of Would You Lie to Save a Life? dovetails with Open Theism far more than with Classical Theism (and I did not even know that till recently). Then by God’s grace, I read Pinnock’s Most Moved Mover. See Appendix 1, above, please. There are some extraordinary insights in Open Theism, and so I pursued to document some of my struggles as Appendix 1 unfolded. This book is the result, as well as an addition to my larger ethics book, Would You Lie to Save a Life?.

Today a new insight into God’s true nature is unfolding, and Classical Theists are becoming the kings of denial, some of them almost infantile in their behavior. I hope I made that clear , and I hope this piece helped.

See my books at www.preciousheart.net. Have a great day.

4.  Methodology—This Is Personal     ~  Top

I wanted my buddies to laugh, get mad and feel indignant, and be persuaded that the genuineness of our relationship with God is the most important foundation stone of biblical theology. Jesus is the cornerstone.

I made it personal from the outset, and I intended to communicate humor and even to lampoon on occasion. While appealing to the academic, I say up front I want to touch the heart of the common Christian soldier. There are some really absurd statements and conclusions that Classical Theism think are serious—you have to laugh at some of their persistence in avoidance.

You cannot touch the common Christian soldier without humor, without analogies and drama, without some kind of black and white contrast. If a complexity cannot be made clear with a story or a contrast, then it is too complex. That was why Jesus used parables, to help the common people understand.[5] Dale Carnegie in his How to Win Friends and Influence People (NY: Pocket, 1964) said we should talk in terms of the other person’s interest and that we dramatize our ideas. See the classical works on rhetoric by Aristotle and Cicero.

Furthermore, and the purpose of this book as well as the purpose of my ethics book was to delineate the boundaries of what we do know from what we do not know, as well as what we cannot know. Very unlike the radical fundamentalist, I admit I do not have all the answers, prove such, and then I furthermore expose the complexity and absurdity of some of Classical Theism’s simplistic settlement in God’s fixity.

In other words, the lampooning was carefully crafted, and I knew the difference between the lampooning and the vapid condescensions of some radical fundamentalists.

The difference between academic debate and ad hominem attacks is clear for some, foggy for others. Academia is loath to use ad hominem attacks, loath to appeal to feelings or to attack the character of the person. And rightly so much of the time, but that has not been the case with Open Theism. Open Theism has brought out the humanity in even the most fixated Classical Theists. Even so, much good academic work is devoid of ad hominem arguments, and the philosophy and psychology schools are experts in debating abstract theories and principles devoid of the ad hominem.

I did not avoid the ad hominem. Up front, I admit and try to be personal, very personal, and I dearly wanted to appeal to the feelings and not just the mind. I am so much more straightforward than the repressed anger and disgust that obviously brims over in Nicole, Frame and Ware. I wanted passion to flow, and I certainly question the integrity of some of the persons. For me, that is where we live and true argument about our relationship with God must include the very precious stones of life itself. How can we discuss merits of love, indicate its deficit or point out its degradation without the ad hominem?

I determined from beginning to end to the appeal to both the mind and the heart. Lampoon and lament, joy and sorrow, go hand in hand with square arguments. That is closer to life and closer to the Bible. I determined to make some of this fun, for my friends where my chief audience.

Part of the issue of Open Theism is precisely “the relationship that we have with God,” precisely the intimate and personal nature of that relationship. Very much in accord with many Open Theists believe, I am passionate that God feels joy and sadness in real time. God takes pleasure and gets angry. I read the Bible, and there are a number of appeals to our own feelings and passions; there are appeals to our character. Many times, Jesus and Paul appealed to feelings and called into question the integrity of a person’s character. 

I reject the error of those who believe God cannot be touched by the feelings of our infirmities. I reject as blasphemous those who deny God sorrow and joy. I those theologians far more liberal and cancerous than Pinncok and Sanders who champion God’s genuineness. I am a offended that those persons would dare to pass their views of an unaffectable God to the public as serious biblical theology, seeking as they do to impute error in to God’s revelation, interpreting God’s feelings as mere and erroneous human interpolation. Anthropomorphisms—go ahead and cuss God and blaspheme the Holy Spirit. And dare to say Pinnock and Sanders are not faithful to the Bible? With such terms, Classical Theists cuss and kill the living God. I sneer at them with disgust. I hate them with a perfect hatred, them that use God’s name in vain and them that take the very life out of the living God of the Bible. I feel a sneer at that use of God’s name in vain; they take the very life out of the living God of the Bible. At this very moment, a Classical Theist would deny any such thing, forwarding that God is alive; and then the next breathe, as in a schizophrenic shift, that same person would say God is just above time, timeless, tenseless, meticulously sovereign with exhaustive foreknowledge (which all have a ring a truth)—then add the death sentence to God that He is so fixed that there is no freshness or true pleasure or true sadness with God. The denial of God’s aliveness cannot get any plainer. They forget that we were made in God’s image, not God made in Plato’s image. God is touched by our feelings, and to deny such is to kill God and make vain the very name of God—make vain the God who is “I am.” They have taken the “I am” of God and made a graven image out of stone—granite—and christened their new God “the Eyeball above Blinking” who is so far above time that this new/old God is truly of no use in real time.

How they got away with this, only God knows. But the reality of the literature is this: they affirm Gods aliveness in one sentence, then kill God in the next with tenseless. Anyone who does not understand that is just too small, does not have enough education, is not wanting to see the true meaning of the Bible—and on and on. You have to have special education to talk like that, and the rank and file are just supposed to “understand.”

Dare to take the personal and affectionate out of my Abba, my heavenly Father, and you curse God in my book. The New Testament is plainer, Jesus and John 3:16 does not need Ware, Frame and Nicole to appeal to the heart of a poverty stricken mother or the anger of prisoner or ugly-nasty pain of a victim.

God is not so fixed. Though God could have foreknown 1,000 years ago that your little boy or girl was going to be raped and mutilated at 4:00 PM this afternoon, nothing on earth can prevent or limit or distract God from answering your prayer today at 12:00 noon and allowing a Baldwin full grand piano to drop out of the sky and land on that nasty predator at precisely 3:50 PM. Not just your prayer, either, but God could answer the child’s prayer too—just case you were bogged down in fixity. If you have the faith the size of a mustard seed, you can move mountains (without the approval or circumlocutions of Classical Theists), or that passage on faith means nothing.

Take the personal away from God and God is dead.

This book is a personal dialogue first of all, with some trappings of the academic. I admit up front.

As in some of the work of Geisler and Rakestraw, their conclusions attack the coherence of God and even usurp the place of God. Ware and Frame make effigy and fail deal straight forwardly with genuineness of God’s relationship and are so paternal and patronizing—I find their superior attitudes immoral and denial of God’s genuineness in Open Theism stupefying. I certainly question the integrity of Roger Nicole who forced the use of prejudice and inferior arguments without clear lines of reasoning.

Contrary to a purely academic strain, and most especially for the common Christian soldier, I make use of some fancy rhetoric, stories, analogies, caricatures and some clearly ad hominem attacks.

And I have some fun in doing so. I want my buddies to be impressed and laugh and join me more than I want to persuade Ware, Frame, Nicole or Geisler. Perhaps even they shall churn out something truly worthy, but I suspect not.

 

 

Introduction       
1.  The Larger Context of This Book
2.  The Lopsided Battleground

3.  Persecution of the Most Moved Mover
   
4.  Methodology—This Is Personal                 

 

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[1] M.G. Maness, Would You Lie to Save a Life? (Bloomington, IN: 1st Books, 2003), and you can see the full table of contents and more at www.preciousheart.net/ethics.

[2] Norman Geisler and Robert Rakestraw were two of the four biblical ethical theorists that we used to discern a “right” choice in Commander Bucher’s horrendous dilemma in Would You Lie to Save a Life?.

[3] Especially Bruce A. Ware‘s God’s Lesser Glory: The Diminished God of Open Theism (Crossway, 2000) and John M. Frame’s No Other God: a Response to Open Theism (NJ: P & R, 2001), certainly James R. White’s The Potter’s Freedom: A Defense of the Reformation and a Rebuttal of Norman Geisler’s Chosen But Free. (Amityville, NY: Calvary Press, 2000) to the degree of its fire against Geisler—an individual with his own institution—but White is typical of the same radical fundamentalist defender of Classical Theism. All three and many more a modern day defenders of Classical Theism with a vengeance, using for the most ancient arguments (except Ware, who does contribute with some fresh and some credible insights against Open Theism).

[4] The body of this book being just 100+ pages with 200+ of extra resources in the appendices and Abysmal Bibliography.

[5] As it says in Matt. 13:34: “without a parable spake he not unto them.”